Thursday, August 30, 2012

New Tires. Why the Hell is it so Hard to Get New Skin on a Motorcycle?


The author's 2009 Kawasaki Concours - loaded with one Michelin Pilot Road 3



     When I first dropped the Connie's kickstand in Kansas, my rear tire looked like a marathoner's favorite pair of shoes. After 9,476 miles the rubber was at the end of its life. The reverse aging process was in its final stages, which meant the crevices and crenelations of youth were all but gone, the center strip was ironed down to little more than the faded crow's feet of a Botoxed suburbanite. There was a bit of life left in it – maybe 1,000 miles, maybe 100 – just enough time to shop around. As motorcyclists, you know surveying new shops is hardly work. Usually.
Michelin Pilot Road 3. I found one spot that
was well worn just before getting it swapped.
     I found a shop here in Manhattan that looked equipped to handle the '09 Kawasaki Concours, and on arrival immediately felt welcome in the parking lot. I pulled up next to a pair of sub-liter sport bikes in the lot – 650 Suzukis, I think. They were good looking and functioned as a kind of billboard: You've come to the right place.
     Kelsie and I pushed through the door and into the shop. Not very big – really, it felt like a super-sized cardboard box, but it was packed full, overstuffed with mysteries waiting to be uncovered.
     Racks of armor-plated jackets huddled on racks. Shelves sat full of helmets. Not a lot of bikes, but there was one of those Japanese modern retro machines on the floor – the ones that are still produced with kick start. Yeah, my kind of place.
     I made my way to the guy on duty, youngish, and fenced in behind glass display cases. I greeted him, probably smiling like an ape pounding banana daiquiris. You see, I'm almost always amicable in these places. Something about the electric feel of new technology. Potential. New rides. The five-year-old feel of imagination. It puts me in a fine spirit.
     He looked at me, up from whatever arduous, manual labor task he was performing behind the counter to return the greeting.
     Here's why I had to qualify earlier by using the word usually. This is where it started, not in the words... because the words of exchanges like these are almost moot, they are standardized, homogenized bland like a carton of milk. Anywhere you go across the country, it's the same, so the words spoken have to be pretty interesting to stand out in your memory. That being said, initial contact is important. It sets a tone very quickly, and that's why this interaction stands out in my mind. It was exemplary because it fell apart.
     I don't remember the words, what I do remember is that after he looked up to greet me, he went back to his arduous task. I felt like I got 3/10 of a second. That's a lot of time in an Olympic 100m – but not so much in retail. His task was so important that he split his focus for it, and away from a customer. Employees are busy people, I've been an employee at many places and I've been busy at all of them. So, I tolerated it. Didn't even mind at first. I was undaunted. Amicable. Keeping busy is his prerogative, sometimes you need to multitask to keep a business successful. However, customers are curious, it's their prerogative... so I peeked behind the counter and followed his gaze to see what kept him so busy.
     It was the cover of his iPhone (or something similar, I honestly don't care). He'd pulled it off and had it on the counter. In one hand he had a rag, next to him was a spray can of some treatment or cleaner. Then, as I stood there he proceeded to buff. He chose to do this instead of showing visible interest me, or at least any that I could read.
     Undaunted. (Amicable, remember.) I explained my situation. High miles, old tire, time for a reskinning.
Buff buff. Spritz, Buff buff. Uh huh.
     In his defense, when I told him what I wanted, he turned quickly to 'the book' and found the Michelin Pilot Road 3 I'd asked about and named the price. Quick, as they say, like a jackrabbit on a date.

 $299. Installation was $43 more.

     For a grand total of $342+ tax. That seemed like a lot. But I only buy tires every so often, and I hadn't checked around. My memory being what it is (as fierce as strained peas) I couldn't remember what I paid last year, so I wasn't sure how high it was, or if it really was high. If I had done a bit of research beforehand I would have balked, spit my teeth at him and asked for a price match. As it stood, my research started at that particular shop. It was supposed to be fun, after all. So I asked, as I always do, if there was any room for negotiation. There's always room for negotiation on tires. Every shop has room for negotiation. This shop would have room for the same.
     Nope. Not a hem or a haw or a second thought. $299 was the price, love it or leave it – and the tone encouraged me to leave it. However, he did offer another solution. If I wanted to save money he did have other tires to offer... if I was interested, I wasn't.. I had a PR3 on the front, hopefully with another 9,000 miles of spinning left, and I wanted a matched rear. I went to peruse the store without asking for an appointment or an order. Eventually we slinked out. Not that we needed to, what with the phone.
     Maybe this interaction was my fault. I was honest with him; I wasn't interested in buying that day unless the price was right. And $300 wasn't right. Maybe I shouldn't have been. Maybe I should have lied to garner more attention, but I don't like to operate that way. If a shop needs to be slapped in the face with colorful plastic to be helpful, then (in the immortal words of my father) piss on it. I don't need that in my life. So, we left. Back home.

     “$300 seems like a lot of money.” I said to Kelsie at home – more to myself, really, sweating over $350 I didn't really want to spend.
     “It does, what did you pay last year?” she said.
     I stared blankly. Yeah, that's a good question. She asks good questions!
     “Did you keep the receipts from the last time you had them changed?”
     “I... uh. Maybe.” I hadn't thought of this. What a brilliant idea! I found a manilla envelope labeled Connie Papers. (Sounds like a relative to that Jackie kid from Puff the Magic Dragon), poured it out, and voila, an invoice.

     Quan. 1: 190/50/17 - $198. (Mayday Motors, New Ulm, MN. They come highly recommended if you're in the area.) 

     $198 for a rear tire of the same exact specs. This meant I was quoted a total cost increase of $101. $101! Fair warning, here. For those of you who don't know, I speak French. Please pardon the following linguistic bleeding. “A hundred bucks? What? The? Fuck?
      OK, OK. Sure. Oil prices, cost of rubber, something something. Rabble rabble, grumble grumble. Some price increases mixed with a less-than-exemplary markup at this particular shop... that could explain the whole thing. Still. A hundred dollars? Piss on that!
     I did what all savvy consumers do. I went to Amazon.
     Search: Michelin Pilot Road 3 190/50/17. Result: free two day shipping (I love Amazon Prime) for $180. $180! I repeat, this time in French, for emphasis, $180 fucking dollars! (and yes, the French word for dollar is [un] dollar). Amazon wanted $180 and you know they're still making money. At this point I was incensed with the local shop. (I thought maybe I would go piss on it.) How could they charge $300? I showed them my backlash in the best way possible in the free market. I put the Amazon tire in my cart and worked my way to the end of the transaction. Take that.
     Then I stopped before the final click. It's was worth checking one more place.
   BikeBandit. Same search. Same price – however, BB has one small difference. They give a 10% discount to American Motorcyclist Association members. Total price $162 + plus shipping. I'm pretty sure Bike bandit is still pulling a profit at this point, too, and for $140 less than the shop in town. 46% discount. It takes a lot of French to describe how I feel about that.

     Hey, can you move on that price at all?
     Nope.

     With both items in their final stages of purchase, I compared final prices shipped to the door. Bike Bandit underbid Amazon (a tough feat, to say the least) by almost twenty bucks, and then BB greeted me with one more message.
     Dear Brady, your order has qualified you for free Bike Bandit Podium! (What the hell is that?) It qualifies you for a free subscription of Cycle World, (Oh, neat!) other features (which I haven't yet deciphered) and free shipping!
     I ordered immediately. Just to reiterate, Bike Bandit provided me with a 46% discount, a free magazine subscription and free shipping, and some other stuff I don't even yet understand. It was at my house by the close of the week and I had it on the rim the following thanks for a nice local shop that will mount rubber they don't sell you. Now that's service.
      Bike Bandit, I am pleased with your performance. In fact, my only qualm with BB – their shipping prices – has just been eliminated, and it takes a hell of a lot to beat Amazon these days. I also have nothing but good things to say about Briggs Auto, who installed the tire for me. 
     I could have been hung out to dry after buying the tire, stuck with only the one shop for help. I was willing to drive to Topeka or Kansas City, anything to a shop that would charge almost twice what a product sells for online – but I didn't have to, because I struck gold. Briggs Auto did it in a friendly atmosphere with competent staff, not one of whom cleaned his phone in my presence.
     One of the staff even took time to talk bikes with me while I waited. He had plenty going on, his phone rang often, but he made time. Sure, he's in sales – that's what a good salesman does, you butter people up even when they're not buying (or buying anything big) to earn their trust. To show them you're good people. That it's worth the haul to shop with them... and that's exactly my point. These days I may be in the minority, but I'll drive out of my way, well out of my way, for decent treatment and decent prices. Fortunately, this time, I didn't need to - I only found a shop I hope never to step inside again.

28 comments:

  1. No reason at all except maybe the manager wasn't around at the first shop. I've only bought motorcycle tires twice now and in both cases it was not an unpleasant experience. Up here, we don't get free shipping on everything with Amazon Prime and most motorcycle shops refuse to ship tires to Alaska using anything but Fed-Ex or UPS overnight service. Both are horribly expensive options for a tire.

    While on my trip, I bought a generic rear tire at a Honda dealer in Corvallis, OR, and the staff was very friendly and helpful. They let me pull the wheel in the shade next to their building and had the new tire mounted and balanced within 20 minutes. The local tire shop here in Fairbanks is called Adventure Cycleworks and they are open 24/7 during the summer. They cater to the ADV crowd and service is excellent.

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    1. Richard,

      I'd like to believe that, but this kid's response came out etched in stone. I've had both good and bad experiences with service. I've had tires installed the wrong way, and have been overcharged. It's miserable. The prices are always unreal, some worse than others. Really makes me want my own machine.

      I saw your post, looks like you found a really great shop. Unfortunately, I didn't get that kind of vibe from the shop in town here. Now, I really don't feel like going back to find out any different. Too bad, I'm pretty into bikes and don't mind spending a couple of extra dollars if they're going the extra mile.

      Brady

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    2. Richard, I think it pays for you to buy tires in Calgary, I found this place that sold me the Heidenau even cheaper than I got it in the US. Check out blackfootdirect.com or blackfootonline.com (same site) and they have a shop across the street that installed my tire for a good price.

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  2. Brady - I went through the tire replacement challenge this spring. The BEST price I could find in Canada for the tires I wanted was over $500 plus shipping and installation. So I bought the same tires online from Dennis Kirk, shipped to a US address (free shipping) for about $200. Brought them across the border myself and paid the local dealer $40 each to install and balance. So it really pays to look at all your options before putting the plastic down because odds are you're getting hosed.

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    1. Canajun,

      God that's a hell of a lot of money. I don't know what these shops are thinking. Is this the only way they make any money? I can't believe that. I understand they mark products up - that's the way retail works - but when a shop wants an extra hundred bucks, or in your case three hundred, it's worth finding another solution. In your situation, I might have just bought a machine. My father in law found a used one for four hundred. If you figure I could save $40 minimum per tire, that doesn't take long. I'm glad I found something better, and feel bad that I don't have a good metric bike shop in town.

      Brady
      Behind Bars

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  3. Brady, Now you understand why I bought a Cyclehill tire changer. For the HUGE savings by buying tires off the internet, and NEVER having to pay someone $40-$80 to change it. Some shops wanted to charge me an additional $25 just because I didn't buy the tire from them. I even ran into shops that refused to mount ANY tire not purchased from them. I do ALL my own tire work now. I'm sure it's paid for it's self.
    If you can find a shop that is close by, and will mount what you bring in, and they only charge $50 for the pair, off the bike... you got a great place! Then it's not worth doing it your self.
    My problem was having to drive 2 hours to the shop, drop them off, and 2 hours home, plus, a change in shop policy made it increasingly harder to justify not buying my changer.
    I'd hate to go back to the old way!

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    1. Erik,

      You've got it made, man. I'm not really in a position to drop a wad of cash on a fancy machine. Now that I finally have a garage, I can't justify the machine! I get the feeling a random guy could make a killing changing tires. I could buy everything at Bike Bandit these days, charge amazon prices and make $60 an hour, easy. Granted, if anyone got hurt I'd need to have a bulletproof waiver and I would feel absolutely miserable... but the potential is there. Seriously.

      Some day, man, I'm going to get one. Or maybe twist my father in law's arm until he finally does it. He's gone through half a dozen tires... or four at least this year alone. It'd be a sound investment for him. And me.

      Brady
      Behind Bars

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  4. We've been lucky enough to have our local Cycle Gear shop to mountiresias, not even purchased through them for $25. I have purchased sets from them in the past when they had a killer sale that made the front almost free. And they offer the "insurance" that they will prorate the tire if it is punctured and needs to be replaced. I have benefitted from that once so far getting a nail after only 1000 miles. I wish I had it the first time it was punctured.

    These guys in the store are the best, friendly, joking, even letting me watch the tire changes. They are probably friendly with most people. But I think they remember me because I am a girl that rides a large bike and insist on taking care of my bike instead of pawning it off on hubby. I always ask question, and I think they like it. (I also give them all their own grief back. I grew up in a shop that built dragsters and funny cars.)

    I'm glad you found a great outfit. And sorry to hear the other shop is incredibly rude. Wonder how long they will be in business.

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    1. Holy crap, it sounds like you've found one hell of a shop. I had a solid shop in Virginia - but nothing quite so amazing as that. The rates weren't as good and I couldn't watch them do the work. Still, I trusted them and they gave me decent prices.

      I'm hoping this other shop will put tires on later if I need it. The guy was like, oh hey, we don't usually do this, it's just a service if someone needs it. I sure appreciate the fact that he did it for me.

      It looks like the other shop's been around for a while. My poor opinion of them probably doesn't mean much. This is such a transient town, even if a shop had a bad name, I get the feeling that it wouldn't matter. So many servicemen and college kids come through... Someone else would have to start another business, and I am not that other someone.

      Brady
      Behind Bars

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  5. I can't stand when people do that to me, I'm the customer that pays the bills, pay attention to me. Once I was waiting at a counter with my wife and a few other customers behind me and the guy was on the phone chatting away about crap that had nothing to do with the business. I was loosing patience but waited until he finished and then when he asked me if he could help me I looked straight at him and said "no thanks, I'm now going across the street and buy from your competitor" he just stood there looking as I walked out :-)

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    1. George,

      I kind of stood there like an asshole while it was going on, and when I got home I was like, what the hell was I thinking? Dunno. Sometimes when you're first there you really want to like it... but when you step back and look at it, well. You decide it's not worth your time.

      Brady
      Behind Bars

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  6. Hear hear! Smart phones are the bane of my existence somedays. I am always amazed at how employees use them at work. I am stubbornly refusing to get one myself.

    And a big thumbs up to Bike Bandit. We too get our tires from them, get the AMA discount and also got to join the Podium Club for free. They have consistently had great prices and fast shipping. I don't mind paying a few dollars extra for shopping local, but almost twice? What was that shop smoking?

    Glad you found a shop to install it without issues.

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  7. Trob,

    Pardon more French, but no shit. What were they smoking? I don't know. It really was close to twice the price, which really galled me. Still galls me. I realize BB is a big company, it takes money that the little, local guys could be making, but I can't go to the little guy financially when he tries to bend me over like that.

    Also, as a crotchety old turd, I find myself yelling at the college kids when I have to drive through campus. They're possessed and have no idea where the hell they are! Maybe they're all running GPS. Who knows. I've lived without and will continue to do so for a while yet.

    Brady
    Behind Bars

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  8. We get our tires online. Guess it's a good thing Ron can change our tires. With both of us commuting, it doesn't take long to burn through a set of tires.


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    1. Bluekat,

      I'm beginning to feel that I'm the only sap without the chops to get in there and do this work on his own. There's a whole lot of money to save there. The thing that really gets me in the neck, though, is that it's not an overly complicated procedure and shops still get quite a bit of money to do it. Maybe we need motorcycle shop coops. Places with tools and machines to loan for like five or 10 bux an hour. You could go in and do your own work...

      Man, does that sound like fun.

      Brady
      Behind Bars

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  9. One reason I love the P series vespa is the spare tire and split rims. No tire irons needed. Of course you need balls fo steel to ride 60mph on ten inch tires. Luckily I'm well supplied.

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    1. Conch,

      Balls of steel, indeed. I think I could handle 60 on a machine like that for a while, but as an extended run that'd be quite the ride. I used to hit 50 on my c70 (71 or 73, depending on if you believe the DMV or the title who could never get in agreement) and that was horrifying. My mind goes there - to the death wobble of the front wheel and the burning paint smell of overheating.

      Alright man, I'm scared for you, mostly because of my history with the damned things. I love 'em, but have never had good luck.

      Brady
      Behind Bars

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  10. I have a simple statement to a clerk when I encounter such laziness....

    "I am profit and you are overhead. Let's talk to your manager / supervisor / owner so he can explain the concept to you in a way that I am sure will make a very deep impression on you."

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    1. Jeff,

      Probably would have been the way to go - but I'm such a slow-brained clod that by the time I figure out how bad things were, I'm already home. The only time I seem to know how lame the other guy is with any real efficiency is when I'm driving. Then I just try to keep the bird from flying. If you've got the mustard to speak up, the world needs more folks like you.

      Brady

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  11. Brady,

    Too bad about your local shop, I've gone from having the dealer mount tires(pricey) to doing it myself...much easier now that I have a tire changing stand and mojo lever! The Ural tires can be swapped with just tire spoons but the hf stand makes it so easy. HF doesn't sell it anymore, not sure why but search Craigslist that's how I found mine for $50


    Dom

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    1. Dom,

      I think I'll get there. I don't know why, but tire swapping used to fall into a section of maintenance that I thought was impossible to do at home. Turns out everyone who stops by here is changing their own. I'm not sure when I'll get to doing my own, but eventually.

      Do you balance manually, then? Or do you balance at all? There's a lot of fun stuff in the Honda manual, back when people did all kind of stuff like this on their own, and usually built some contraption to do it with. That book just uses gravity as a balancing method. All well and good, probably fairly effective, too, but the honda struggles to hit 100. I'm not sure how safe I'd feel on a home balanced tire all day on the interstate.

      Brady

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  13. There is no excuse for bad service such as you received. The sad thing is I bet he banks his pay cheque without the slightest qualm. At least for you it all ended well and you’ve learnt a new language.
    Now, time to start wearing some of that new tread off.

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    1. Jay,

      I'm eager to get out on the cycle! It's been a long time with Germany and the heat. Unfortunately, the day after I got the machine re-treaded the heat came back. It's supposed to be 100 degrees here again today, and sweaty as an orangutan's ass crack. Next weekend is supposed to be beautiful. I might need to head out of town and dodge the football traffic.

      Brady
      Behind Bars

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    2. "Sweaty as an orangutan's ass crack" Was that a tame orangutan or a wild orangutan or a tame orangutan that became wild after you found out how sweaty its ass crack had become? Mmmm ....best not to ask. ;-)
      Here's hoping next weekend fully lives up to expectations. Enjoy

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  14. Dear Brady:

    I thoroughly enjoyed this post. Not only did it have great moto content, but it could have applied to just about anything. How many times have you walked inside a a business, to find the salesperson dicking around on a cell phone. Generally, texting. I am a big one for face-to-face contact and love the thrill of walking into a cool bike shop. In some cases, it's like walking into a private club. But with another recession predicted for 2013, and the leisure specialties products market already taking a hit, motorcycle service businesses are going to have to rely on consumer relations if they can't compete on price.

    It is unlikely you will ever shop there again... But you should drop his boss a line to explain why. By the same token, you should always let the boss know when an employee does really well. And this applies to the supermarket as well as the bike shop.

    Fondest regards,
    Jack / Reep
    Twisted Roads

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    1. Jack,

      Thanks for the compliment. I can't say I was as pissed as the time a guy nearly rear-ended me while on his phone. My reptile brain demanded I get up, take off my helmet, and beat him to death with it. (The helmet, I think one would be hard pressed to beat someone to death with an phone. Modern phone, anyway.)

      I'm a face-to-face guy, too. I don't have many friends who live life attached to their phones, but occasionally someone gets it out and zones. I take it away and berate them. It's just a little service I have for good friends.

      Brady
      Behind Bars

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